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A few things about the Byzantines

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:55 pm
by BasileiosIIIArgyros
* Calling all the leaders of Byzantine church villages a Patriarch is much like calling the leader of every military village an Exarch/Despot/Emperor, or calling the leader of a Norman church village the Pope. In Byzantine times there were only 5 patriarchs: obviously the Ecumenical Patriarch in Constantinople, one in Antioch, one in Jerusalem, one in Alexandria, and (in theory at least) the Pope in Rome. Metropolitan or Bishop would be a more appropriate title, with bishop probably being more appropriate given the scale of the villages.
* I'm no expert on Orthodox church hierarchy, but I was always under the impression pastors were mostly an American/Protestant thing. The pastor himself looks to me more like a modern American pastor than a Byzantine clergyman. I think just calling him a priest and redoing his appearance would be better.
* The wife of an akrita (chorio emporikos leader) should be called an akritissa.
* A lot of the Greek spoken by the villagers is incorrectly transliterated (e.g. a lot of "x"s that should be "kh" or "ch" (Xaire - > Khaire/Chaire), "w"s that should be "o"s (Kwnstantinoupwln -> Konstantinoupole))

Re: A few things about the Byzantines

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:57 am
by Saggaris
Interesting Bas, it shows an understanding beyond most, though I fear that your post will remain either unread or unanswered by 'devs' as it seems few if any venture here to check/respond to feedback for this excellent mod now, it would appear that most are elsewhere on a discord somewhere :arrow:

Re: A few things about the Byzantines

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:17 pm
by Ticlon
Hey guys,

Culture Dev Byzantines here. You are right, we are more active on discord than here and the server is free to join for everybody.

Some general feedback: I like your ideas and will probably include the name changes soon.

In detail:
Patriarch: In the lore of Millénaire, I was under the impression that the villages all claim to represent the Byzantine Empire and the Church so the villages themselves are autocephalous for the time being. However, as I only was 14 years old during creation I like Metropolitan more and see your reasoning.

Akritissa: it obviously is Akritissa. Will change that ASAP.

Transcription: Most transcripts are based on the Classical Greek transcript I learned at school, the dialogues however are based on google translate. I do not really know what to use since Byzantine Greek is in between Classical and Modern Greek and I assume that the Ottoman Turkish rule shaped the language quite a bit. Also, changing would change a lot of time.

If you want to discuss it more in-depth feel free to contact me on discord!

Re: A few things about the Byzantines

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:00 pm
by felinoel
Ticlon wrote:Transcription: Most transcripts are based on the Classical Greek transcript I learned at school, the dialogues however are based on google translate. I do not really know what to use since Byzantine Greek is in between Classical and Modern Greek and I assume that the Ottoman Turkish rule shaped the language quite a bit. Also, changing would change a lot of time.
Meh, since it is so close to either or I think you should choose whichever is easiest to translate and then stick with that for everything.

There was only like 300 people who still can speak Inuit in 2012, WHO KNOWS how few people speak it now, so I've been looking to use any Northern Native American language and plan on changing all Inuit words to that as soon as I find a translator. In the end we can only do what works best, if we strive for exactness we spend unnecessary effort.
What I currently use for the Inuits is just a mess, the grammar is horribly wrong, the syntax is a joke, and half the words I want to use don't even have a close translation that I can find. So I am looking for a living translator to bounce ideas off of.