Liao Dynasty in northern China/Central Asia steppes

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Liao Dynasty in northern China/Central Asia steppes

Post by Orange1861 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:48 pm

Hello Everyone! Many people have been posting nomadic tribes and the Song dynasty on the discord. I began talking about the central asia steppes and felinoel suggested that I post the nomadic kingdoms in northern China. I found the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liao_dynasty, an empire with nomadic people that dominated the land north of the Song. While I'd personally prefer the Song and the peoples further west, the Liao dyansty has potential that is unique in so many ways.


Uniqueness

While they were a relatively insignificant people, they were a nomadic people that conquered the northern Chinese. They had two governments under the emperor, a northern one that had mostly the nomadic people and the southern one that controlled the Chinese part. There was a great deal of tension between the original Khitan culture and the emperors that embraced Chinese culture. Gender equality was near equal in this society due to its nomadic roots. They had many tall unique structures that can be seen on the wikipedia page. Culturally, they feared the Chinese would overpower their culture and thus had their own clothing, food and written language. *See culture for more info

Warfare

They used horse archery and were a warlike people. They frequently attacked Song china in the south and won many wars. Manchus from the east invaded the Liao dynasty and conquered it in the 1100's forming the Jin dynasty.

Culture and Trade

They were largely self-sufficient and required to farm or herd animals. They often traded with the Song, giving their horses and pearls for Song tea and porcelain. The industries that they had were textiles, mining, ceramics, construction and harnesses. As a people, they were mostly herdsmen with a few farmers in the north, while being a farming people in the south (Chinese). They developed their own written language, and separated their culture from the Chinese. Horses were a major part of their life along with saddles and other horse related things.

I would like your thoughts on this and if you want further info on a subject, comment below to ask for said info although I can't easily get info for buildings.

https://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/history/liao/
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Re: Liao Dynasty in northern China/Central Asia steppes

Post by felinoel » Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:21 pm

Orange1861 wrote:While they were a relatively insignificant people, they were a nomadic people that conquered the northern Chinese.
We discussed in chat to make the culture literally nomadic, like maybe once every now and then they would pick up their important stuff and rebuild elsewhere, probably leaving behind disused buildings or tearing buildings down completely. But these buildings would be more like campsites than much else.
They had two governments under the emperor, a northern one that had mostly the nomadic people and the southern one that controlled the Chinese part. There was a great deal of tension between the original Khitan culture and the emperors that embraced Chinese culture. Gender equality was near equal in this society due to its nomadic roots. They had many tall unique structures that can be seen on the wikipedia page. Culturally, they feared the Chinese would overpower their culture and thus had their own clothing, food and written language. *See culture for more info
Like the Hindi and Inuits, it would be best to choose a specific region, specifying either the north or the south region would make representing them easier.
They used horse archery and were a warlike people. They frequently attacked Song china in the south and won many wars. Manchus from the east invaded the Liao dynasty and conquered it in the 1100's forming the Jin dynasty.
Warlike nomads could make them a bandit kingdom that so many people beg for, we could have maybe two bandit kingdoms.
They were largely self-sufficient and required to farm or herd animals. They often traded with the Song, giving their horses and pearls for Song tea and porcelain. The industries that they had were textiles, mining, ceramics, construction and harnesses. As a people, they were mostly herdsmen with a few farmers in the north, while being a farming people in the south (Chinese). They developed their own written language, and separated their culture from the Chinese. Horses were a major part of their life along with saddles and other horse related things.
Again it might be best to choose a specific region.

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Re: Liao Dynasty in northern China/Central Asia steppes

Post by Orange1861 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:29 pm

felinoel wrote:
Orange1861 wrote:While they were a relatively insignificant people, they were a nomadic people that conquered the northern Chinese.
We discussed in chat to make the culture literally nomadic, like maybe once every now and then they would pick up their important stuff and rebuild elsewhere, probably leaving behind disused buildings or tearing buildings down completely. But these buildings would be more like campsites than much else.
They had two governments under the emperor, a northern one that had mostly the nomadic people and the southern one that controlled the Chinese part. There was a great deal of tension between the original Khitan culture and the emperors that embraced Chinese culture. Gender equality was near equal in this society due to its nomadic roots. They had many tall unique structures that can be seen on the wikipedia page. Culturally, they feared the Chinese would overpower their culture and thus had their own clothing, food and written language. *See culture for more info
Like the Hindi and Inuits, it would be best to choose a specific region, specifying either the north or the south region would make representing them easier.
They used horse archery and were a warlike people. They frequently attacked Song china in the south and won many wars. Manchus from the east invaded the Liao dynasty and conquered it in the 1100's forming the Jin dynasty.
Warlike nomads could make them a bandit kingdom that so many people beg for, we could have maybe two bandit kingdoms.
They were largely self-sufficient and required to farm or herd animals. They often traded with the Song, giving their horses and pearls for Song tea and porcelain. The industries that they had were textiles, mining, ceramics, construction and harnesses. As a people, they were mostly herdsmen with a few farmers in the north, while being a farming people in the south (Chinese). They developed their own written language, and separated their culture from the Chinese. Horses were a major part of their life along with saddles and other horse related things.
Again it might be best to choose a specific region.
The reason why I mentioned the nomadic north and the settled south was to give the community a potential choice for either a nomadic people, a version of China or to have different village types for both.
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Re: Liao Dynasty in northern China/Central Asia steppes

Post by felinoel » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:01 pm

Orange1861 wrote:
felinoel wrote:
Orange1861 wrote:While they were a relatively insignificant people, they were a nomadic people that conquered the northern Chinese.
We discussed in chat to make the culture literally nomadic, like maybe once every now and then they would pick up their important stuff and rebuild elsewhere, probably leaving behind disused buildings or tearing buildings down completely. But these buildings would be more like campsites than much else.
They had two governments under the emperor, a northern one that had mostly the nomadic people and the southern one that controlled the Chinese part. There was a great deal of tension between the original Khitan culture and the emperors that embraced Chinese culture. Gender equality was near equal in this society due to its nomadic roots. They had many tall unique structures that can be seen on the wikipedia page. Culturally, they feared the Chinese would overpower their culture and thus had their own clothing, food and written language. *See culture for more info
Like the Hindi and Inuits, it would be best to choose a specific region, specifying either the north or the south region would make representing them easier.
They used horse archery and were a warlike people. They frequently attacked Song china in the south and won many wars. Manchus from the east invaded the Liao dynasty and conquered it in the 1100's forming the Jin dynasty.
Warlike nomads could make them a bandit kingdom that so many people beg for, we could have maybe two bandit kingdoms.
They were largely self-sufficient and required to farm or herd animals. They often traded with the Song, giving their horses and pearls for Song tea and porcelain. The industries that they had were textiles, mining, ceramics, construction and harnesses. As a people, they were mostly herdsmen with a few farmers in the north, while being a farming people in the south (Chinese). They developed their own written language, and separated their culture from the Chinese. Horses were a major part of their life along with saddles and other horse related things.
Again it might be best to choose a specific region.
The reason why I mentioned the nomadic north and the settled south was to give the community a potential choice for either a nomadic people, a version of China or to have different village types for both.
I think what sets this culture apart from the rest, and Japanese especially since that is the concern, is the nomadic aspect.

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